Episode 172 - Sisterly Catch Up: Sharing Our Sleep Struggles, Binge-Worthy Shows, Fave Workouts, And More (Full Transcript)

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SPEAKER_00:

Welcome to Nirvana Sisters podcast, where we take the intimidation out of well-being and beauty to help you achieve your highest state, your nirvana. We are sisters-in-law and your hosts.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm Amy Sherman. And I'm Katie Chandler. So let's get into some real conversation. I'm so tired.

SPEAKER_00:

You want to kick it off? Oh, I'm. Yeah. Do you notice? I just I don't know if you have this with Adam, but I do this to all the time. Like if he says I'm tired, I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so tired. It's like a competition. Yes. So when you just said I'm so tired, I'm like, yeah, me too. I got like no sleep last night. So let's start off with that. So Nirvana Sisters family, Kate and I decided we just needed to catch up. And speaking of sleep, my sleep has been horrible, which is so unusual for me. First of all, I have a cold, so that's probably why. But I think I have a cold because I've been sleeping like not great the last few weeks, probably from stress. But I don't know if it's time of year. I don't know what it is. Have you been feeling that way?

SPEAKER_01:

I have been sleeping fine, but I'm having a really hard time falling asleep. Mm hmm. I'm waking up so tired. I don't. So my like one of my superpowers is I either a wake up before the alarm or B, I wake up with the alarm and I shut it off and I get right up and start my day with no problem. I had that hasn't been me though for a while and it's driving me crazy because like the first half of my day I'm in a sleepy fog like I am right now. Story of my life, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

At night I'm like wired. This is me. This is what's been happening to me lately. It's driving me crazy. And then you get in this pattern of like being a night owl. So last night, for example, this is terrible. I was up late. I was like tired, but then I got wired. So I ended up watching the season finale of Tell Me Lies at like, I don't know, one in the morning. Probably didn't fall asleep till two. I just couldn't fall asleep. And then I was watching that show, of course. And, you know, it was amazing. If anyone's not watching Tell Me Lies, it's such a good like, you know, binger of a show. But anyway, same thing.

SPEAKER_01:

It's driving me insane. I don't I. First of all, if I stayed up that late, I wouldn't be here right now, so I don't even know how you're doing it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I know. I'm like running on empty right now.

SPEAKER_01:

Late for me is like 11, but you know, I always go to bed early.

SPEAKER_00:

So, I don't know. What's a good time of sleep for you to go to bed? Is it like 9 or 10?

SPEAKER_01:

My most ideal time to fall asleep is between 10 and 10.30, if I wake up earlier, great. But you know, I'm usually up at like 5. So yeah, if I was two and got up at five, I'd be dead meat.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so my ideal time to fall asleep is between 10.30 and 11, and then get up around seven, which is usually my routine. But I'm finding I'm having a hard time to stick to that routine right now, because I think what's happening, I was explaining this to Stu too, and I don't know if you feel this way, I'm sure you do. I feel like I'm so busy during the day, and then by the time you finish dinner and do the things you have to do, it's like then you have no downtime to yourself, and I feel like my only downtime is nine or 10 o'clock at night. 100%. And then it's like I don't have a wind down routine and it's like you really need to start the wind down routine at like eight o'clock, but we're still doing stuff at eight o'clock at night. So I got to like redo our whole schedule.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that's 100% without a doubt part of our problem. And I kind of think a little bit has to do with back to school and like getting the girls back into the back to school routine. Yeah. Madeline also is now getting to the age where she wants to stay up later. So not getting into I used to put the girls to bed and be in bed, like turning my TV on ready to have my me time by like 805. Yeah, forget it. It's not happening till like 9 or 9.30.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. I mean, I don't even really. I mean, Jules is in ninth grade, Jackson's in 12, so it's not like I put them to bed anymore. But like I also was traveling to L.A. last weekend and it was a great trip, but it was like Friday to Sunday, which was totally fine in the moment. But then I think it's taken me like a week to catch up just from like traveling and like a long flight and the jet lag and whatever. hence why I have a cold and yada yada but yeah I think it's a hectic time of year and I'm glad I'm talking to you and you feel the same way because we all just need to take a step back and breathe because I just feel like I'm it's also I'm stressed because it's Jackson's senior year and there's like all this college stuff and like there's a thousand things going on so I'm just having a hard time balancing it so I'm trying to go back to all the things that we talked about like I'm trying to do my breathing I'm trying to like really hone in on it, but I think the sleep, if I can, to your point, get it organized where I can wind down earlier and get in bed by 10.30 or so, then at least I feel like if I get my sleep schedule back, then everything else will fall into place. I also have eight sleep, which I don't know if we've talked about before. Did we talk about eight sleep?

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know if we've covered it yet.

SPEAKER_00:

Do you know what it is?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, you've told me about it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Just for our audience, if you don't know what eight sleep is, it's changed the game. Well, obviously, the last two weeks, I haven't been sleeping well. So taking that aside before that changed the game on sleeping.

SPEAKER_01:

You get into eight sleep. Yeah. I can't help but think like, as the season's changing part of it, and just like, Oh, and everything can't be alone, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Now, I'm sure our listeners and other people are feeling the same way because I feel like all my friends feel the same way right now, too. It's just like that time of year where it's very hectic. And I always feel like that, too, when the seasons change. It's like, I don't know, your body just feels different sometimes.

SPEAKER_01:

those things off. Okay, so Eight Sleep, yeah, you told me so many.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah, Eight Sleep is amazing. I won't go super in depth, I'll talk about it on a Product Junkies episode, but it's basically this mattress cover that you can put on top of your mattress and it heats and cools and you can program it. And not only does it do that, it captures all your biometrics. So I can see last night, where's my phone? I can see, well, I don't even wanna tell you my sleep scores, they're probably horrible. but you can get your sleep scores. Actually, my sleep score wasn't terrible. For some reason, it says my sleep quality was 90%. which isn't bad, because I thought I didn't sleep so good. But anyway, it gives you your sleep fitness score, tells you the quality of your sleep, it tells you how much REM sleep versus deep sleep. So it gives you all of the data, and it also auto-optimizes the temperature based on how you're sleeping. It also captures your snoring, it captures how long it took you to fall asleep, it captures your heart rate variability, all that kind of stuff. So it's really cool for data nerds, which I know you are, but the best thing about it is just You know, you can get in if you like a warm bed at night or a cold bed, you can schedule the temperature and it just turns on and you get into bed and it's like nice and warm or nice and cold. And then it also, you can change it throughout the night. So if you want it to be cool all night, you can make it cool all night. And then in the morning, you can set it so it gets warmer because you naturally will wake up with like a warmer temperature. You can naturally wake up with a warmer temperature. So like it helps you to wake up. And then my favorite part is the thermal alarm. The bed wakes you up with like a gentle vibration, like a tap. It's almost like someone's tapping you to wake up. Game changer. So you don't wake up with like an alarm sound. I mean, it takes the sunrise alarm clock to the next level because it's not even it's just like a light little tap. But anyway, that's been like my favorite sleep hack or sleep tool. Just not lately. So I got to get my routine back in check.

SPEAKER_01:

Does it have two zones for the temperature? Yes. Your partner wants a different temperature.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. So Stu always sleeps hot. And now he's literally not hot when he sleeps anymore. He puts the cold down and it goes down to like minus 10 or plus 10. And I think he only puts it on like minus two and it's cold enough, which is crazy. It's very it's an it's an incredible. Product anyway. OK, so sleep, we're not doing good, but we need to do better, so.

SPEAKER_01:

I feel like my diet has been pretty on point. I've been focusing a lot on whole foods lately. In the summertime, I think my diet flies off a little bit because there's just so much celebratory Like it's just so it's like a time where you're on vacation. Yeah. We're entertaining a lot. So I've been trying to hone that in and get more into just like really, really focusing on on eating whole foods, which I think is always such an easy hack to get your diet tuned in. You know, it's like I'm not calorie counting. I'm not. Yeah. Not like restricting anything except for really like processed crap. Right. And focusing on whole foods like 80, 20, 90, 10, maybe. Yeah. So I'm like, if I can get my sleep dialed in, then I think I'll be feeling really, really good. What about you? Have you tried anything new lately? Any new good? I'm trying to think if I've had any good... What's one of the best snacks that are like healthy snacks?

SPEAKER_00:

I know. I'm like crazy with snacks. I feel like I always have good snacks. I do have like some good, I mean... Like I like my chickpea snacks. I got these really good. I don't well, they're gluten-free and These somewhat healthy a little like snacks from a Costco these like organic little yogurt covered fruit things which are good. I Feel like we have good snacks. I feel like my my eating has been healthy ish, but like not full meals, which is always my problem. It's like I'll graze all day on healthy things, but like I'll have carrots and hummus and then I'll have like, I don't know, one of my protein bagels and then I'll have this. Like I'm not lately. I'm not sitting down to eat like to your point, a full meal with like whole foods where there's, you know, a carb, a protein and a vegetable. Like, do you know what I mean? Like, I'm not.

SPEAKER_01:

It's because you haven't been as hungry. You're just like too busy.

SPEAKER_00:

I think it's both and like lazy. I just want like things made. Like my go-to is always like hard boiled eggs or tuna or like, it's just like one thing. It's not like a full meal. So do you know what I mean? Like, or even if I make dinner at night, I'm always like, okay, I'll make chicken. And then I'm like, wait, I need something else with it, like rounding it out. So I always need like inspo. But like, I look at some of the people that we follow, like Katkin Cook, and I get ideas, but it's like, I, I'm not organized enough to get stuff in advance. So like, sometimes I'll do that, but I've just been inconsistent.

SPEAKER_01:

You know what I feel like is the best hack for that is, is adding sweet potatoes. It's because sweet, they're so good for you and they are filled with fiber and they are just really, they're like, I love sweet potatoes and you can literally, I mean, it's not the best thing, but if you're in a time crunch, pop it in the microwave and it's done in like minutes.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I also have the sweet potatoes that just reminds me in the freezer, like those ones that are like already cuts. You can put them in like in the toaster. I forgot about those. My kids don't eat sweet potatoes, though. Stu and I do. Do your kids eat sweet potatoes?

SPEAKER_01:

Maddie does. Reese, I mean, I don't even know how Reese exists.

SPEAKER_00:

Is she still just eating pasta or what is she eating?

SPEAKER_01:

No, she eats at least at like the best I can get in her is like nuts and seeds, seaweed, sugar snap peas, cucumbers. But then asides from that, all she wants is like pasta, rice, or processed crap.

SPEAKER_00:

That's it. Yeah, it's just in that phase.

SPEAKER_01:

I can't get her to eat protein. Don't get me wrong, she'll eat some McDonald's chicken nuggets if I give them to her. Right. I mean, it's like, it's brutal. And the thing that's scary is it's not totally a phase. It's been this way since she started.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. It's hard. So what do you do? Just keep trying? I just keep trying. Exactly. But at least she's getting in some of those healthy snacks.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, she does. And she'll, you know, she'll eat like good granola and she'll eat a protein bar, which isn't the best, but that's like, that's practically the only way I can get protein in her, a smoothie.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Smoothie is good. I have to get back on my smoothie game. I feel like I go through phases with smoothies. Like I do love smoothies, but then, and I get in a phase of making them all the time and then I got out of it. So that's always like a good go-to. I feel like I have to remember that.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, sometimes if I'm really tired when I get home from work, I'll just make a smoothie with like some good protein powder in it.

SPEAKER_00:

I know. I feel like that too. Lately for dinner, I don't, I'm not craving a big dinner, but obviously living in a house of boys, like they want like a big dinner. And I'm always like, I could have a smoothie or I could have cereal. Like I just don't crave a big dinner, but they're all like ravenous. So I have to figure out like what to make or what to get them. And we've also been like getting a lot of like takeout, not bad takeout, like kava and things like that. But you know, it's just,

SPEAKER_01:

Did I say on Stories recently, you shared something like when my 15-year-old's $3 hamburger gets delivered and it's a fail? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah. It's like they're out of control with the DoorDash. It's crazy. Okay, switching topics because we didn't talk about this and I think you watched Nobody Wants This, right, on Netflix? So good. So amazing. Well, first of all, it was so cute because of the podcast Sister. So I was like, yeah. And you know, it's based on Erin and Sarah Foster from World's First podcast.

SPEAKER_01:

I didn't actually know that. Yeah. And so somebody told me that after I watched it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's it's based on a true story. It's exaggerated. I heard her talking about it. Like, Erin Foster, who's the creator of the show, married a Jewish guy and converted, not a rabbi, but it's like loosely based on that. And that's where the idea came from. And they have their podcast and whatever. So I loved it. It was so good. We watched it in like a day.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I watched it like the last two weeks. And it's really, I mean, Kristen Bell is so cute. So cute. Adam Brody, adorable. Adam Brody. Yeah, he's so cute. That's a great show. I totally recommend it. Remember The O.C. ? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Was he? Was it the OC or? He was on one of those shows.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yeah, no, you're right.

SPEAKER_00:

You're right. Yeah. Like back in the day.

SPEAKER_01:

What is Tell Me Lies? Because Adam came into the room last night. He was driving home from the airport and he's like, I talked to my mom and dad for an hour and they told me about this show that I should watch, but I definitely shouldn't watch with them.

SPEAKER_00:

Wait, who told him to watch this? Your parents. Oh, I know. This is the most great show. Watch the show. Oh, you can't watch it with the kids. It's so yeah. So first of all, that is hilarious because my parents I forgot my parents told me they were watching that. Like I watched Tell Me Lies season one. um whenever it came out right and like never even talked to my parents about it because i would never think that they would watch that and then the other day they're like oh yeah we're what we're catching up on tell me lies i'm like are you joking like i cannot believe they like it because it's about like college kids and it's so there's so much sex and craziness but like hilarious i thought it was about like affairs it's not about it no well it's basically about a toxic relationship between these two main characters and but it's based like in 90s college. It's so good. I'm so jealous you haven't watched it because you can watch all of season one and now binge all of season two. It's so good. But it's like one of those where it's like, it's bad but good. You know what I mean? But it really depicts sort of this toxic relationship.

SPEAKER_01:

Like it's like a guilty pleasure kind of watching.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, exactly. But it does cover like topics and different things for sure. But yeah, just watch it.

SPEAKER_01:

And then Adam would get into it because he, you know, he never watches anything with me.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know. He doesn't really watch TV, does he?

SPEAKER_01:

Except the news. All we ever watch together is Curb Your Enthusiasm. And then we watch Schitt's Creek for a while. That's like, yeah, I mean,

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know what kind of shows he likes. I mean, Stu, I feel like watched it maybe with me in the beginning, but then was sort of like whatever. But I love all those shows with like school, college, high school, like any of that stuff. And apparently my parents do too. So I feel like he might have watched it, but then like wasn't as into it as I. Adam might like it. I mean, everyone's like good looking and it's like college and it's like fun and it's like sex and it's crazy. You know, it's it's so good. So, yeah, season two came out. I watched all that. Watched the last episode last night. It was the I guess I'm pretty sure it was the season finale for season two. So put that on your list because like if you have anywhere to go, just like download a bunch of shows and watch it. You'll love it. But you yeah, you cannot watch it around the girls. It is like It's too graphic. It's too graphic. Not every scene, but there's definitely like, you can't, no way.

SPEAKER_01:

I just got into, so I don't know why, when, or where it happened, but I have turned into the biggest history geek. I have just all of a sudden become obsessed with history and with war. History and what? History and war. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's so, so random. So I'm reading one book about the fall of the Ottoman Empire. So random. This other show, this show that I just started watching two days ago, it's insanely good. It's called 1883. It's on Amazon Prime. Have you heard of it?

SPEAKER_00:

No, but Stu probably has because he loves all that stuff.

SPEAKER_01:

It's so good. First of all, the main characters are Tim McGraw and Faith Hill. So they're married in real life and they're married in the show. Oh, okay. And then Sam Elliott, which you would know who he is as soon as you see him. Oh yeah, I know who he is. He's great. Amazing. And then there's these crazy cameos, like Tom Hanks makes a cameo, Billy Bob Thornton.

SPEAKER_00:

Is it new? What's it called? 1883?

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know when it came out, but it's about early settlers in the West, and it really depicts what the Wild West was like. Oh, that's cool. In that era. But it's just really well done with the characters and the acting and the actors and everything. Every episode there's another cameo of some insane actor. So it's really good. I'm only on episode four. That's interesting. Did you watch Game of Thrones? I did. I never finished it, though.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, OK. Because there's another show, which I think is in the second season. I forget what it's called. The House of Dragons. Yeah, it's the prequel. We've been catching up on that. But it's funny because we loved Game of Thrones and we liked this show when it first came out. And now we're on season, I guess it's season two. But it's never like our first choice because it's like you have to be like ready to watch it. Like I'm finding that I just like these tell me lies and like nobody wants it's just like these easy So you're not like thinking too much. You're just like zoning out.

SPEAKER_01:

That's a little bit, I feel like 1883 is kind of an in-between of that. So I was into these really, really heavy shows. And I'm trying to think of what I just finished that was so good, but it was heavy. It was called The Lioness, and it was about the Middle East. Before that, I watched We Were the Lucky Ones, which, have you seen that? I've never heard of that. It's a true story. I could cry thinking about it. It follows a family that survived the Holocaust. And I didn't know that it was Come like a completely true story until the very end. Oh my god So you pictures of the family and of the people and they tell you where they're gonna have chills? Yes, I was I'm not kidding. I was sobbing I was sobbing crying when they when I realized that it was a true story. Oh my god I mean, it's I it's a definite recommend, but it's heavy obviously.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you got to be prepared. What channels that is that prime also?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah was I think hulu

SPEAKER_00:

OK, I just wrote it down. I want to watch that. So you have to be prepared. Yeah. I watched this other speaking of true stories and again, speaking of my parents, because they're the one who told me about this show called Under the Bridge. Oh yeah, I've heard of it. Yeah, that's on, I want to say Hulu as well. And that's a true story, not as heavy as like, well, it's heavy because it's about, it's about someone who dies and I didn't.

SPEAKER_01:

Is that the great actress from Handmaid's Tale? The same woman?

SPEAKER_00:

No, it's, I'm trying to think who's in it that you would know. You know the main, this is so random, the main star in it is the woman from, did you watch Daisy and the Six? Yes. The main character? She's totally different in this show, but she's one of the main characters in this.

SPEAKER_01:

By the way, that's Elvis Presley's granddaughter. It is? Yeah. That's Lisa Marie Presley's daughter.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh my God. I had no idea.

SPEAKER_01:

Daisy and the Six?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Yeah. It's her name.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't even know her name, but I just read that recently. It's Elvis Presley's granddaughter. Isn't that cool?

SPEAKER_00:

Wow. That's really cool. I did not know that. So she's one of the main characters in this Tommy in this under the bridge show. And it's sad. It's about this like group of girls in high school. One of the girls dies. And it's a true story. But that was also good, but like heavy, dark, but but good. And my parents randomly told me about that one, too.

SPEAKER_01:

Let's talk a little bit about exercise because you've got a tonal.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so I know I haven't talked about this. I mean, you know it, but I haven't really mentioned it. So I got a tonal, was it back in the spring? I want to say maybe April-ish and I've been using it ever since and like you've talked about it obviously on the show and it's great and I love it and it's definitely like Between that and Melissa Health, I found my groove, although the last few weeks since I've been stressed and busy and feeling under the weather, I haven't been working out as much, so I need to get back to it. I mean, I've done a workout or two a week, but nothing. hardcore, but the tonal is amazing. I think it's such incredible technology because what I find is like when I use the weights there, like if you were just to use free weights, you would just use the same weights all the time. You would never change them up or maybe you would, but there's no like formula. And I just like that you don't have to think about it. You can press the button and it automatically just like optimizes it and like you can beat your personal records and like it just does it. So there's no thought. You just do the class. But It's funny, now it's like, I feel like, and I don't know if you got to this phase with tonal, because I've been doing it a lot. First of all, I feel much better, I feel stronger, I'm starting to see more definition, which I love, but I'm getting to a point now where it's getting hard, it's getting heavier, and it's like I worked out last week and the weight was heavy, so I was really sore the next day for a few days. Is that what happens?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I mean, that's what happens because it's during progressive overload, which to your point is exactly what's so amazing about it. But that's the only way that you gain strength. Yeah, I get it. Because then it makes the workouts like a little less exciting a little harder. Yeah. like grit to get up and go and do it. I totally get what you're saying. But you can also, if it's too much, you can also manually change it.

SPEAKER_00:

Right, scale it back just depending on how you're feeling. One of the things I was going to ask you, I think I mentioned this before, I'm also finding, this is so weird, but like with the tonal, since, you know, it's like the handles, I find that like when it's heavy, it's not that I can't do it, but sometimes my hands and my wrists are like weak. Like they're not strong enough to almost pull up the weight, but like my, body is strong enough. Does that make sense? It's like heavy in my hands and then it like hurts my wrists.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, but that's also just literally... It's your grip strength.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I need to work on that. I used to have like a grip like little thingy at my desk and I lost it. I want to get another one of those because I'm realizing I'm like, I feel like my grip strength is really weak.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. I mean, just working out on the tunnel will improve your grip strength.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I would do that for sure. Yeah. So I've just really been doing tonal, Melissa Wood Health and walks. That's pretty much it. What about you?

SPEAKER_01:

Tonal, I do the weightlifting, of course. And then I also will do the occasional yoga program on there if I don't just want to do my own flow. I actually got with the bird of paradise the other day, which was kind of crazy. You start with your body and a lunge and you bind your arm under your thigh and around your back and then from being down you then stand up and you've got like your leg is like wrapped in your arm and you're bound up.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh my god, I don't know how you did that.

SPEAKER_01:

I did it. It was very cool. And then I got the Nice Day Stair Stepper that was all over TikTok. Oh, right. We bought that, too, because you had it. Yeah, I love it. I'm obsessed with it. It's such a good cardio workout for me. And it is lifting my glutes, which I need. I love it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, we have to post this. How much was it? $40? $50? I think $60. Oh, $60? Yeah. It's literally like a tiny little stair stepper. And Katie brought it over the summer when we were together to the beach. Well, actually, I tried it at your house and then you brought it to the beach. And it's like, it's so good. I forget about that because you know what? We bought it and then Stu put it in his office because he uses it all the time. Good. He uses it more than I do. And then I like forgot about it because it's I don't see it when I go downstairs. But it's great. I know I need to use that more. I find myself like wanting to do like tonal workouts more than that because it's like cardio. And I'm like, I don't feel like doing cardio. But to your point, like if you literally just go on that and watch Tell Me Lies, you're like, that's exactly what I do.

SPEAKER_01:

I'll get on there and I'll put on something like Usually if I'm working out, it's it's during the day, so I won't get into anything heavy. I'll put on something stupid like something sunset and I'll just like pump away for 30 minutes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I need to, that's a good one. We'll, we'll, we'll put that up on our feed because that's like an easy thing that you could just like travel with or just put in your office, whatever. And the other thing I wanted to share with you, which I didn't share with you is shout out to my friend Victoria. She gave me, or she told me about this product. It's the TheraBody Face Smart Goggles. Have you seen these? They're these goggles you put on, you know, Therabody, like they have all these face products now, like different things. It's literally these goggles you put on and you charge them and you press a button and they're like, they like massage your temples and your face. So you told me about it. Oh, did I? It's amazing for headaches. It's amazing for like if you've been looking at the computer screen all day. So back to the sleep deal, I've been trying to just use that at night as a way to like It's like a really good way to wind down. So my friend Victoria told me about it and I bought it and it's really, it's great.

SPEAKER_01:

Really helps with headaches. Another great way to wind down. I think I'm going to do it tonight. Take an Epsom salt bath before you go. It definitely helps get you into sleeping mode faster.

SPEAKER_00:

I need to just do that. Also, we have the sauna and that helps too. I think the outcome is we need to start our wind down routine earlier.

SPEAKER_01:

and just get back into the groove. I have to go because I'm going to go get IV therapy. I'm hoping it's going to perk me up. Good.

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